Well remembered Chris, that was the one. Not Lathom House, so any more info' you've got humus...
Historyman. Great links, thanks. (The New Zealand one especially, with pictures to make a plant lovers mouth water. My favourite (so far after a brief look at the site): Nidularium antoineanum hybrid, on the second page for shade loving bromeleads here: Shade page 2 )
I do like orchids, bromeliads and the like, but we never seem to be able to grow the true air plants. We're doing something wrong, despite following all the relevant instrunctions, but can't work out what.
If we ever make any room in the greenhouse (that stays empty for more than 5 minutes), we might be able to squeeze an orchid or two in.
The team of artisans from Lancashire Rose Developments working on the intricate restoration of the west wing of Lathom House, a G2 listed building, were keen to record their endevours for posterity for future generations to learn from. [edited] The renovation work of the west wing & ancillary bldngs at Lathom Ho, has involved taking the sad ruinous remains of a once prestigious country residence designed by the famous Italian architect Giacomo Leoni & returning them to something approaching their former glory. Working alongside experts from English Heritage and West Lanc's Conservation Dept, Developers Lancashire Rose Developements hand-picked some very talented artisans to complete the work. Heading the team of advisors for the company is Arthur Edwardson who at one stage of his career was the Building Manager for the Royal Palaces of London including Buckingham Palace, St.James Palace, Kensington Palace and Clarance House. Arthur has also worked on projects for the National Trust, written a book on high class joinery, lectured on the same and supervised renovation work on Christopher Wren's first london Church. Adds Arthur "My career has allowed me to work on some magnificent buildings and i am delighted to have had the opportunity to work with Simon Christie from EH on this challenging project and to preserve the Lathom House estate for future generations".
As with past restoration works of this nature carried out by Lancashire Rose Developments, there is no 'quick fix solution', only the skilful and painstaking work necessary to restore these wonderful period buildings to their former magnificent glory. This historical part of West Lancashire continues to offer up intriguing pieces of fascinating information from bygone times. A recent Archaeological 'dig' by teams from Lancaster and Oxford Universities uncovered remnants of the medieval castle of Lord Derby including a part of the moat. Thereafter the castle was raised to the ground by Cromwell during the Civil War of the Seventeenth Century.
The historical & archeological significance of Lathom House has been the topic of many books, reports & investigations over a long period of time which provides us today with a wealth of information on this facinating estate. The Lords of Lathom resides at Lathom park from the 12th century until the 20th century. History books trace the connection between Lathom and Lancashire's famous Stanly family (Earls of Derby and Lathom) who built the prestigious castle fortress that was the last royalist stronghold in Lancashire during the Civil War, in fact the two seiges of Lathom & resultant destruction of the fortified Lathom House are extremely well documented by several sources. Some time after the civil war the seventh Lord Derby tried to rebuild the mansion but the estate was sold to Sir Thomas Bootle in 1724 & the Stanlys mooved to Knowsley. It was Thomas Bootle who completed the Palladian Mansion at Lathom designed by the famouse Giacomo Leoni (circa 1734). As Earls of Lathom and Lords of Skelmersdale the Bootle-Wilbraham family remained at Lathom House untill the 1930's when the last Earl died without an heir. The present decendant of the family is Lord Skelmersdale, deputy speaker of the House of Lords, he now lives in Surry.
The first of the local family was Robert, Lord of Lathom who founded Burscough Priory. He was a member of the Barony of Manchester in the time of Richard 1st and King John (1189 and 1216). His grandson Sir Robert Lathom married Amicia daughter of Lord and Baron Alfreton of Normanton and Sir Robert their son married Katherine heiress of Knowsley. In turn their son Sir Thomas had a daughter Isabelle who married the dashing Sir John Stanley. This marrage laid the foundation for the huge inheritance of the house of Stanley, one of Lancashires most famous and prominent families through generations of local and national history.
"Thomas Stanley first Earl of Derby and farther in law of Henry the seventh created a large impressive fortified residence... it has been suggested that King Henry rebuilt Richmond Palace shortly after his visit to Lathom, influenced by his impression of the new house built by Stanly."
The Seige of Lathom House.
The chief historical connection with Lathom House is it's gallant defence by the Countess of Derby, Lady Charlotte De Temouille against the besieging forces of the parliamentarian armies, whilst her husband was forced to seek refuge in the Isle of Man. Although the first seige was a sucess for lady Charlotte, the second ended in the destruction of the house and the execution of James Earl of Derby in 1652. The family owned Lathom until 1717 when they mooved to Knowsley. The present Lord Derby is still in residence at Knowsley Hall. William the 7th Earl of Derby had intended to rebuild the house but the estate was sold in 1722 before the work was completed.
Sir Thomas Bootle of Melling in Halsall became the new owner of Lathom and the distinguished new house was completed in hthe Palladian style, the venetian architect was Giacomo Leoni (circa 1734). "The modern Mansion is a magnificent edifice occupying a somewhat elevated plain. It's oldest portion, the South front was commenced by William 9th Earl of Derby and was completed between 1724-1734 by Sir Thomas Bootle." Sir Thomas Bootle held many public offices becoming Baron of the Exchequer of Chester, Chancellor to Frederick Prince of Wales and M.P. for Liverpool in 1724 and 1727 and he was knighted in 1746. On his death his brother Robert inherited Lathom, Who passed the it on to his daughter Mary. In 1755 Mary married Richard Wilbraham of Rode Hall Cheshire who recieved Lathom as dowry and as part of the arrangements he changed his name to Bootle Wilbraham. Their son Edward was created Lord Skelmersdale in 1828 and Earl of Lathom in 1850. The family remained Earls of Lathom untill the 1930's when the last Earl died without an heir. The title of Lord Skelmersdale did pass to a member of the family who now lives in Surry and is the deputy Speaker of the house of Lords.
The Eagle & Child Legend
The crest of the Stanley family is associated with the Lathom Legend. Sir Thomas, father of Isabelle, having an only child and cherishing an ardent desire for a son to inherit his name and fortune had an 'intrigue' with a young gentlewoman, the fruit of which was a son. Lord Lathom contrived to have the infant left at the foot of a tree on the estate wich was frequented by an eagle. During a walk with his wife the infant was discovered and taken into the care of the household. He was named Oskatelle and on his deathbed Sir Thomas bequeathed the Manors of Irlam and Urmston to his 'adopted' son Qskatelle, whilst leaving the majority of his estate to his daughter Isabelle, wife of Sir John Stanley.
For further info into Lathom contact the Library at Ormskirk or the West Lancashire District Council Heritage officer.
1189- Robert de Lathom the first Lord of the Manor founded Burscough Priory of which there are remains ni the Blyth lane area. 1385- Isobel de Lathom, heiress, marries Sir John Stanley. 1485- A later Sir Thomas Stanley assisted his stepson the Earl of Richmond to defeat Richard the third at the Battle of Bosworth Hill, resulting in the Earl recieving the crown as Henry V11. In return for his support, his stepfather, Sir Thomas Stanley was created first Earl of Derby. 1500- 1st Earl of Derby built the Chapel as a Chantry. 1504- 1st Earl dies. 1509- 2nd Earl Consecrates the Chantry. 1536- Dissolution of the lesser Monasteries by Cromwell. this was probibly when the Chancel screen and Lectern was rescued from Burscough Priory and brought to the Chapel. 1547- Suppression of the Chantries.The chapel was probably saved as it was in constant use. 1644- 1st seige of Lathom House. 1645- 2nd seige which saw it being raised to the ground. 1722- Bootle family new owners. 1734- Coompletion of new Palladian Mansion. 1755- Mary Bootle married Richard Wilbaham. 1795- Edward Bootle created first Baron of Skelmersdale. 1825- 14th Earl of Derby married Emma Caroline Bootle daughter of 1st Baron of Skelmersdale. 1868- Pulpit & Clergy stall placed in Chapel. 1881- Organ built by Wilkinsons of Kendal. 1896- 1st Earl of Lathom dies. 1910- 2nd Earl of Lathom dies. 1926- Dissolution & sale of Estate & demolition of House.(only the stable block remains). 1930- 3rd Earl of Lathom dies.
Blimey humus, you've been busy! (By my reckoning, about 3 1/2 hours of typing, with the odd break - presumably to allow the smoke to clear from your keyboard?)
All good stuff though, fascinating in fact.
Well done!
PS. I'm going to Ludlow tomorrow (where I fully expect to be drenched, given the forecast) with my Aunt, I hesitate to ask if you know of anything we should particulaly look out for. <g>
PPS. While I'm here I should just mention that anyone with Tree Ferns, Bananas, Canas and the like growing outside, now is the time to give them some frost protection (If you want details, ask and I'll post them here), 'cos it's gone bl**dy cold all of a sudden! Also, non-hardy Fuchsias and Pelargoniums should be put somewhere frost free too. (BTW, would it help to keep us nearly on topic if I went away and found out some info' on Leonhard Fuchs (1501-66), the German botanist for whom the fuchsia is named?)
PS. I'm going to Ludlow tomorrow (where I fully expect to be drenched, given the forecast) with my Aunt, I hesitate to ask if you know of anything we should particulaly look out for. <g>
j
A parking space!! When I was there last month I went round the town 4 times before giving up in disgust.
quote: A parking space!! When I was there last month I went round the town 4 times before giving up in disgust.
Ah well, that's where my Aunt comes in handy. She works for 'a well known local coach and bus company' (I'm not advertising unless they cough up some cash! <g> ) so I'm getting a free place on the coach.
Much as I hate going somewhere and not doing the driving (I think it's a control thing), if it's free, it's free.
quote:Originally posted by fish: Blimey humus, you've been busy! (By my reckoning, about 3 1/2 hours of typing, with the odd break - presumably to allow the smoke to clear from your keyboard?)
All good stuff though, fascinating in fact.
Well done!
PS. I'm going to Ludlow tomorrow (where I fully expect to be drenched, given the forecast) with my Aunt, I hesitate to ask if you know of anything we should particulaly look out for. <g>
PPS. While I'm here I should just mention that anyone with Tree Ferns, Bananas, Canas and the like growing outside, now is the time to give them some frost protection (If you want details, ask and I'll post them here), 'cos it's gone bl**dy cold all of a sudden! Also, non-hardy Fuchsias and Pelargoniums should be put somewhere frost free too. (BTW, would it help to keep us nearly on topic if I went away and found out some info' on Leonhard Fuchs (1501-66), the German botanist for whom the fuchsia is named?)
j
Try 5 1/2 hrs with 2 fingers (owtch)
Went around Rivington pike/Anglezark/Belmont area all Saturday, and got wet trough by the time i worked out how to put my new (2 yrs old) overtrouses on...then the sun came out No info on Ludlow...maybe you can tell me about it as i know NOTHING I get car sick if not driving, its a mind over balance, squared by concentration thing
You been watching GW again ? "Rachel de la tame will be adding beauty to my borders" is my fave quote by Alan.
Do you know weather Peruvian lillys (beauty ?)are hardy as they looked brill.
Yes on the potted history
Any one know who the Poet Walt Whitman was as the gdn at Rivington church is dedicated to them.
Can somebody give me some further reading on the Roman salt production up in your neck of the woods? I can see salt named on the Roman map of britain but am having trouble getting further reading. Any chance it was mined in the iron age before hand?
Things to look out for in Ludlow? Any part of the town not submerged in fog!
Well, at least the rain kept off once we got there. Though I don't think the driver was looking forward to a day out, he decided we'd be leaving at 3-30pm (After arriving at 11-30am) 'because of the weather'.
I'll post some info about Ludlow when I've shuffled throught the leaflets and stuff I've got.
Righty-ho. Peruvian lily AKA Alstromemeria. Basically it's hardy, but if you're worried, chuck a dry mulch (like bark chips or something) over them. I agree with you about them humus, they're a good looking plant. Brilliant for cut flowers too, if you're into that sort of thing...
Leonhard Fuchs (1501-66): Physician and botanist, born in Wemding, Germany. He was Professor of medicine at Tübingen. Interested in the medicinal properties of plants, he wrote Historia stirpium (1542), the first organized and illustrated account of plants intended as a guide for plant collection. The genus Fuchsia was named after him.
That do? Further information can be gathered, upon the awarding of the research grant. <g> (OK, or if you ask nicely).
Walt(er) Whitman (1819-92): Poet, born in Long Island, NY. He worked in offices and as a teacher, then took up journalism (1848-54). His major poetic work was Leaves of Grass (1855), origionally a small folio of 95 pages, which grew in succeeding editions to over 400 pages. Many of the poems in it are now considered American classics, such as 'When Lilacs Last in the Courtyard Bloom'd', and 'O Captian! My Captain!'. During the Civil War he became a volunteer nurse - a bitter experience which forms much of the subject matter of his later prose works, notably Democratic Vistas (1871) and Specimen Days and Collect (1882). He was a major influence on later US poets.
Don't know what he's got to do with Rivington though humus, sorry.
I don't know anything about Roman salt production D, but I'll see what I can come up with for you. In the meantime, I'm sure some kind soul will come up with just the thing you need, some very clever people pop in now and again you know. (Present company included there of course!)
Blimey, I know what you mean about sore fingers now humus, not to mention being crossed eyed from refering back to the text, is that everyone covered?
1) I'll post some info about Ludlow when I've shuffled throught the leaflets and stuff I've got.
2) Righty-ho. Peruvian lily AKA Alstromemeria. Basically it's hardy, but if you're worried, chuck a dry mulch (like bark chips or something) over them. I agree with you about them humus, they're a good looking plant. Brilliant for cut flowers too, if you're into that sort of thing...
3) Leonhard Fuchs (1501-66): Physician and botanist, born in Wemding, Germany. He was Professor of medicine at Tübingen. Interested in the medicinal properties of plants, he wrote _Historia stirpium_ (1542), the first organized and illustrated account of plants intended as a guide for plant collection. The genus _Fuchsia_ was named after him.
That do? Further information can be gathered, upon the awarding of the research grant. <g> (OK, or if you ask nicely).
4) Walt(er) Whitman (1819-92): Poet, born in Long Island, NY. He worked in offices and as a teacher, then took up journalism (1848-54). His major poetic work was _Leaves of Grass_ (1855), origionally a small folio of 95 pages, which grew in succeeding editions to over 400 pages. Many of the poems in it are now considered American classics, such as 'When Lilacs Last in the Courtyard Bloom'd', and 'O Captian! My Captain!'. During the Civil War he became a volunteer nurse - a bitter experience which forms much of the subject matter of his later prose works, notably _Democratic Vistas_ (1871) and _Specimen Days and Collect_ (1882). He was a major influence on later US poets.
Don't know what he's got to do with Rivington though humus, sorry.
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1) ok, thanks 2) not into arranging. 3) excelant stuff, that will do (no reaserch grant) 4) Thanks for this bit of info very interesting. Hmm, confusing, i will have to do some digging (not literally as its in the grave yard )
Perhaps there is a reason nefarious or otherwise for this omission...
Leoni wrote up on Palladio:
PALLADIO, Andrea. The Architecture of Andrea Palladio; in four books....design'd and publish'd by Giacomo Leoni. London. Printed by John Watts for the Author. 1715 (but issued in parts 1715-20)
Right then, the info' on Ludlow I promised the other day.
It turns out that every bit of bumf I picked up just repeated the same info' as the others, so there's not going to be a great deal to tell. Here goes anyway.
Ludlow, Shropshire. On the river Teme. It was the capital of the Welsh Marches in Tudor times. The huge red-stone fortress which still overlooks the river was begun in the 11th century. The church, Church of St. Laurence, was begun in 1199 and there are still some fragments from the origional fabric visible on the South side. The church tower is 135ft high, and dominates the town. (Seriously, you can see it from everywhere, even in the fog we had). The Butter Cross was built in 1746 and now houses the town museum.
And that's about as far as the bumf goes. So, by way of cempensation:
Beer, dont ya just love it 
i only have this atm 
hope i answered your queerie on info ok 
