quote:Originally posted by Chris Walker: Was that the same chainsaw?
Time Teams version of Health and Safety strikes again...no chainsaw trousers,gloves and visor up,well done again Also coppicing and pollarding are in the Forestry Commisions vocabulary(whatever that silly woman says).Still I did like the show again,even it seemed a bit 'vague' in the end. Still that goes with the Neolithic territory I suppose.
quote:Originally posted by Owain Glyndwr: Time Teams version of Health and Safety strikes again...no chainsaw trousers,gloves and visor up,well done again
Aw! Come off it!! Someone DID shout TIMMBBBERRRR!!!
I fink you has got the wrong Maiden Castle. Wot you must remember old boy is that we have them up here as well. The one I mentioned is near Thwing, north of Rudston. Although Neolithic in appearance it has been found to date from the Late Neolithic/EBA. overlap.
As to tonight's prog. I recognised 2 glaring ommissions.
First. If it was associated with habitation/settlement where were the earthen Long Barrows containing the ancestors? No mention. I strongly support the 'ancestor worship' theory and, in any case, no effective counter-theory has been proposed. The Long Barrows were always prominent on the skyline,both as a reminder of the presence of the ancestors, and as a territorial marker.
Second. Towards the end, while the team were going over the geophysics map, attention was drawn to the very prominent areas of burning round the ditch area. But there was as much, if not more, evidence of burning along each "bank" of the supposed Roman Canal running through the middle of the enclosure. Surely this would put a pre-R/B date to this feature?
A much slower prog. tonight probably due to the presence of FP and the absence of the Prof. Still his place was filled admirably by the delectable Carenza. Welcome back sweetheart.
Not a bad programme, it goes to show that if you keep to the basic formula, you can’t go (far) wrong. Phil wearing the same uniform he’s had for the last 10yrs, Victor with his superb drawings, (whether or not they are historically accurate is irrelevant, they are still superb). Lots of views of the geophys people walking up and down. Then last but not least, there’s the camera man getting plenty of shots of the female digger’s cleavage.
Get all that right and the rest falls into place.
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Second. Towards the end, while the team were going over the geophysics map, attention was drawn to the very prominent areas of burning round the ditch area. But there was as much, if not more, evidence of burning along each "bank" of the supposed Roman Canal running through the middle of the enclosure. Surely this would put a pre-R/B date to this feature?
I deleted my 'whats with all the burning' question just before I posted.
why do they not have repeats especially as its on at such a f****** silly time when they used to have childrens programs on bbc1. there needs to be some way that people who need to watch timeteam like myself can get to see it. i am too poor to have satellite or cable Tv. i am not working and i got a grant to do my cert. course as i could not afford to pay the fees. IF anybody as a video copy i can borrow to watch. i live in leicester. i suppose i can live without seeing it but why should i? the sooner it moves to channel 5 if it means putting it on a sensible time later in the evening!
quote:Originally posted by Ian G.: ...that we have them up here as well. The one I mentioned is near Thwing, north of Rudston.
One thing I did notice that this "new" interrupted ditch enclosure, and its near neighbours, were sited on an ecotone (a transition of one type of landscape to another) Rybury, round our way (Windmill Hill, Knap Hill etc.), being described as ”Situated on an abrupt eminence connected by a narrow neck with higher hills to the north” (Curwen, 1930).
Ian do yours "up there" conform to this placement in the landscape?
quote:Originally posted by saffron_hill: why do they not have repeats especially as its on at such a f****** silly time when they used to have childrens programs on bbc1. there needs to be some way that people who need to watch timeteam like myself can get to see it ............ the sooner it moves to channel 5 if it means putting it on a sensible time later in the evening!
Today it clashed with Songs of Praise, Eastenders and Rio Bravo. Whats your problem? Get up earlier.
quote:Originally posted by Chris Walker: Can anyone tell me if the Aurochs bone was located within the inner or outer series of the "interrupted ditch enclosure" (a much better term in describing this type of structure)as this wasn't clear from the program unfortunatly.
Found in the primary fill of one of the segments of the outer circuit of the enclosure
I fink you has got the wrong Maiden Castle. Wot you must remember old boy is that we have them up here as well. The one I mentioned is near Thwing, north of Rudston. Although Neolithic in appearance it has been found to date from the Late Neolithic/EBA. overlap.
As to tonight's prog. I recognised 2 glaring ommissions.
First. If it was associated with habitation/settlement where were the earthen Long Barrows containing the ancestors? No mention. I strongly support the 'ancestor worship' theory and, in any case, no effective counter-theory has been proposed. The Long Barrows were always prominent on the skyline,both as a reminder of the presence of the ancestors, and as a territorial marker.
Second. Towards the end, while the team were going over the geophysics map, attention was drawn to the very prominent areas of burning round the ditch area. But there was as much, if not more, evidence of burning along each "bank" of the supposed Roman Canal running through the middle of the enclosure. Surely this would put a pre-R/B date to this feature?
A much slower prog. tonight probably due to the presence of FP and the absence of the Prof. Still his place was filled admirably by the delectable Carenza. Welcome back sweetheart.
Cheers
Ian G.
_Resurgam_
You've lost me here - what burning associated with the canal? The canal incidentally is a stretch of Car Dyke, and IS roman in date. The only evidence for burning came from late in the sequence in the inner circuit of the Neolithic causewayed enclosure.
Castration - didn't understand the "experts" comments. Firstly, what evidence has been found to prove that castration was practiced at all in this period & secondly, an "intact" male surely grows larger because it benefits from the hormones swilling about? Animals are not castrated to improve growth - one reason is to calm them down to make them more docile & easier to handle - better for domestication, so is this why an assumption has been made that this was practiced here/
I quite enjoyed that programme, although I was a bit worried when the R word was heard even before the title music!
Good to see Ben Robinson who took us EAFF on a behind the scenes tour at Peterborough museum a couple of years ago (remember the dinosaur vomit? ).
I must admit, I did prefer his theory about habitation rather than FP's about a solely ritual site. But why does there have to be a mutual exclusion between the two? After all, more modern peoples have religious sites within their villages, why shouldn't ancient man have combined the two, ie had a religious/sacred area as part of his settlement?
There's an unclear reference to castration on the website, which I'm in the process of changing, so please ignore that for the time being. As I understand it, although castration does inhibit muscle growth overall (due to reduced testosterone production in bullocks), it also has the effect of increasing fat deposition and - more importantly in this context - relative limb growth. Neck, shoulder and thorax muscles in cattle are reduced by up to 50% in bullocks; while hindlimb and abdominal muscles are heavier. The size of the bone found on the site was said to suggest that it came from a castrated animal.
'Ecotone'? Now there's a word. Sounds like a new product from Head & Shoulders.
F Pryor's been interested in these type of areas for some time. He calls them 'liminal' zones, and believes they had a rit - ritu - some sort of ceremonial significance in prehistory.
As for phosphates, D, wasn't that something to do with a droveway? Phosphates would be more prevalent in an area where animals where herded close together, rather than the interior of the enclosure where they would have been dispersed.
I was quite surprised at the relative paucity of the finds, especially in comparison to sites like Windmill Hill, and also surprised by how many causeways actually existed. The ditch segments seemed to be curiously short.
The 'bowl' experiment would have been a bit more impressive if they hadn't got the chainsaw out. What is it with East Anglian sites and chainsaws?
'Sir' Mark -Cor Et Manus- 'I want the last cheque I write to bounce' - Carl Reiner, 'Oceans 12'
quote:Originally posted by Steve Platt: ....due to reduced testosterone production in bullocks........
Careful there Steve, I had to re-read that line.
For some reason, I've found myself crossing my legs quite a lot in the course of researching this programme - and you've no idea how much self-restraint it's taken to avoid saying that the archaeologists were talking bullocks ....
