When you leave me and my personal life alone bala, I will leave you alone.

I had very good reason to stop talking to you as you well know.

But while you continue to slander me/my life and exaggerate things I say and do, I feel it is important for me to defend myself.

I dont have the same 'its only you guys' attitude as you do. I actually like and respect the other members here.

Plus of course, I've had to tell you off constantly for posting spoilers.

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if i had a pound for everytime a member conpmain about my english-i would be a very rich man

Well perhaps that should tell you something. It's pure arrogance to say that everyone should be prepared to wade through the errors to get to what you're saying.

Im sorry but, everyone was talking about ER not the spelling why dont you just read Balas's posts instead of judging them??
get over your selves
I understood it fully now can we get back to ER please.

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I really cant believe that nobody has found Luka yet even with Sams hints and Abby yelling to find him when Jerry was shot. Though i am a tad dissapointed because knew that abby would collapse and Luka was restricted in movement from trailer.

Yeah, I thought that too.

Also, why did they start shooting up the admissions desk? Even if they twigged that the staff and police had worked out what was happening, wouldn't they just have grabbed Sam faster and ran?

I see the point about the shooting being deliberately chaotic, but they sort of slowed it down a bit at one point, which is a trendy trick, often used in fast action scenes, but usually to point to something specific happening, whereas, nothing specific was shown, so it just looked like the director trying to be tricksy and trendy, because he didn't have anything really original to show or to say.

I know I'm probably nitpicking, but ER didn't used to be so shoddy. In fact the camera work was always one of the best and most original things about the show.

That said, I did think the scriptwriting was sharper than of late, and the acting, apart from the very off hand love delclaration by Abby and the lackluster proposal by Luka at the beginning, but they both improved as the epi. went on, and Neela and Sam were terrific. That's why I think it was such a shame that the action went far too far at the end. I really did like this epi until then.

PS. I hope you don't think I'm trying to tell people what to do, but I don't understand the Bala and others argument above, so I would also like it, if we just got back to discussing the epis, please, and let people sort out their personal stuff elsewhere.

I apoligise for dragging petty arguments out.

The main point was really discussing someone elses review of the episode. There is no harm in that, that is, after all, what we are here for.

As per usual it escalated into something else as someone made a personal remark that wasnt called for or relevant at all.

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Originally posted by xxxlizixxx:

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Originally posted by Rosey Roxy:
The song was Snow Patrol - open your eyes.

Someone has already posted that somewhere in this thread.

thanks, and JanC roxys ryt

Thanks for that - was a bit confused when trying to download song - title didnt come up but got some other stuff of theirs now and love it!!

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Originally posted by dave leeds:
Im sorry but, everyone was talking about ER not the spelling why dont you just read Balas's posts instead of judging them??
get over your selves
I understood it fully now can we get back to ER please.

Thanks dave

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it escalated into something else as someone made a personal remark that wasnt called for or relevant at all.

yep-if only Jeff hadn't had a go at my spelling-none of this would of happend i would politely responded to his comment but by him adding that little comment about me proof-reading at the end fuelled this arguement.

appeciate it

What a great eppy!
So tense and gripping and the cliffhanger - first Sam gets taken off, then Jerry crashing and then so horrible seeing Abby collapse and Luka watching on helplessly. And the Luby scene at the beginning was sweet too.
Neela at the funeral was so sad and PN again acted really well. I hope she does move on from Gallant's death and finds happiness again
Sam's storyline was intense too - and Alex being tied up in the van!
I can't wait till the next series !

It was the jealousy comment I was talking about bala. Which was personal and not relevant.

Jeff (and others) was simply giving some advice about posting in a way that makes it easier for other people to read your comments. And therefore what he said was relevant.

I am giving up, because everyone is fed up and p*ssed off with all of this, including myself.

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Jeff (and others) was simply giving some advice about posting in a way

you see it didn't feel like he was giving me advice-it feel try he was trying to take mickey out my english, if you give someone advice you following

Here some friendly advice but he used

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Bala... don't you ever spell check or proof-read your posts

from the tone of that comment it didn't sound like advice

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perfer alchloic abbey

ooh! was abby an alcoholic? never new that
(i'm new to it this series)

when was that then?

She was a recovering alcoholic before her character joined the show.

We only found out about it after Carter came back from rehab and she told him that she had problems. I think he asked her to be his sponsor.

She did start drinking again later though, but she didnt become 'addicted' again. Not exactly sure which seasons etc but it was a few years back that all this was going on.

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when was that then?

Abby was revealed to be a recovering alcoholic in early season 7, she fell back into drinking during season 8 and a bit in season 9(?), IIRC.

i just got my friend who thinks e.r is stupid to watch this eppy and she was lyk, wow i wanna see the next one:O:O hehe, den i told her she'd have to wait 4 january grr i dnt wanna wait!

thanks for that info on abby
doesn't suprise me really, but i like happy abby now

also i was wondering why this episode is called 21 guns. i know it had shooting in it but i might have missed the reference. normally they say something like 'i do' or 'there are no angels here'
just a thought

21 gun salute at the funeral presumably.

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21 gun salute at the funeral presumably.

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21 gun salute at the funeral presumably.

Oops! sorry that came up twice. Anyway, I presumed that too, plus someone with a naff sense of humour also referring to the shootout at the end.

Re. Abby with a drink problem. I spent a while working with people with drink and drug problems and she never convinced me as an alcoholic (I don't like the term, but since others use it, I will for shorthand) There's a type of quite heavy drinker, who needs to cut down, who goes into the whole twelve step thing from the AA, when they just need to cut down and aren't real addicts. Abby always struck me as this, because , although we saw her swig the odd bottle of not especially extra strong beer, she was only ever depicted as a bit drunk once (In the scene with Carter outside the Bar where they all went to "celebrate" after Mark's death) and she went on and off booze without ever exhibiting any withdrawal symptoms. I think they just gave her alcoholism to make her more tortured and interesting and to give her something in common with Carter, who was shown as actually being high, and as having quite severe withdrawal symptoms (I've seen people "clucking" and the best interpretation of drug withdrawal was done by the character playing Carter's cousin, Chase, still not as harrowing as the real thing, but pretty well done). I think Carter "recovered" too quickly to be realistic, but at least it seemed a bit like he was really addicted, whereas Abby as an alcoholic was pretty unbelievable IMO. Even her hair and clothes were still in place when she was supposed to be drunk. The only indication was a fake slurring of speech, which I remember at the time made me wince, as it sounded nothing like real drunk people. I'm glad they've dropped that story line and/or conveniently forgotten about it.

We did see Abby down the biggest part of a bottle of tequila when Eric went missing.

I wonder whether Aby is actually a drunk rather than actually chemically addicted to the stuff, someone who can't have just a couple of drinks but goes on to finish the bottle. But it's also possible that she went TT because she found she wasn't able to cut down and drink sensibly. I imagine that's how a lot of people finish up at AA but it's always seemed a bit extreme to me. I'm sure that there are people who don't address their drinking because they imagine the only alternative is the Not A Drop Shall Pass my Lips Ever Again rather than learning to moderate their intake.

Did the gun salute at the funeral make anyone else wince on behalf of Neela? I thought she might totally break down and freak out at them, cos the militiary had such an obvious presence. I know it's a sign of honour and respect, but I can imagine that salute tppng me over the edge at a funeral for my husband who'd just been klled in action (albeit by 'friendly fire'). What did everyone else think?

I don't think Gallant was a victim of friendly fire; it was a landmine wasn't it?

Yes it was a landmine. In 12.21 when Clemente went potty he briefly talked about friendly fire when the soldiers were at county. Maybe that is where the confusing comes from?

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We did see Abby down the biggest part of a bottle of tequila when Eric went missing.

Oh yeah, I forgot that one.

Carter went a bit too far by not drinking at all for a while and then in Africa he had some beers, as they all did, because of the terrible tension there, and nothing happened to him. Either the writers temporarilly forgot about his problem, or they were making a point that he didn't need to stay off booze 100%, just avoid opiate drugs since painkillers were his addiction. I could never work out which. It always puzzled me. I don't know how well they researched this issue. Usually ER is good on research, because experts are watching and they would get complaints if they got something really wrong, but I felt they were a bit slapdash about this issue.

If you are an alhoholic and you suddenly stop drinking, you usually have really bad withdrawal, pains, shivers, shakes , hallucinations. Someone who just drinks a bit too much can stop and start drinking with no physical effects, but you can't do that if you are really addicted.

Sorry to go on, but I've had experience of dealing with people in this situation.

I too thought that Neela might break down when they did the gun salute, but in fact the writers showed restraint and her dignified/horrified sorrow was much better. Any actress can do hysterical, what PN did was more subtle and truly made you feel for Neela. A definite high point to the epi IMO

Clemente must have said somethng about friendly fire....I know the tank blew up, I thought someone/the soldiers said it was in friendly fire.....Anyway, my point was just that he was klled in the war that Neela completely disagreed with anyway, and the salute would just bring it all back (all her objections etc....) I agree PN acted it very well-I'm glad the writers didn't take the easy, hysterical widow, option.