Kyoto has nothing to do with saving the enviroment and everything to do with putting into force the worlds first global taxation system. If you people were really against the IMF, World Bank, World Economic Forum, WTO etc you should oppose this nonsense. Carbon Taxes and Trading will only benefit these people and no one else, let alone the "Mommie Earth" (Your Momma's so fat that she has 6 billion dumb bacteria on her.) Yeah, if you brits want another tax and waste more money on top of all the taxes, levis, fines, rates, bills, etc etc that you's already have, then go ahead and support Carbon Taxes and Trading, you people are so willingly wanting another oppressive piece of crap in your lives. Go ahead and spend more of your hard earned cash to go into some big fat corporate guys' Swiss Bank Account. The enviromentalists havn't properly explained where your money is going to go to "save" the enviroment. Kyoto doesn's stop countries from over producing carbon, it just charges a tax for overproducing carbon. Most countries will prefer to pay the tax, rather than damaging their economy. And what about Carbon Offsets? What in the name of God is that going to achieve? You plant a tree for every *** amount of carbon you produce. How many trees will we end up planting? Don't people realise that grass and weeds and mosses etc also do the same job as trees? Carbon Offsets are a joke, that won't do nothing, except make extra money again for the already rich globalists. Carbon Offsets are also just a way to make people feel better for producing carbon, but it doesnt do squat. The good thing is that Carbon Offsets are entirley voluntary. I won't give anyone squat for producing Carbon. You'll have to Make Me! I ain't paying! Oh yea, Al Gore owns the Carbon Offset company that he pays his Carbon Offsets into. HAHAHAHA Good scam. Al Gore produces at least 20 more carbon than the average person does. I told you that Carbon Offsets are just a scam by the rich to make themselves feel good. Anyways that's it, Don't be scamed by the rich globalists.
On the Al Gore company that sells Carbon Offsets, which I should've put in, Al Gore gives money to himself as punishment for over-producing Carbon. That's the way of the Global Elites! That is what the Global Elites contribution to Global Warming, the rest of you's on the other hand won't be allowed to give money to yourselves!!!!!!!!! for all the Carbon that you produce.
Originally posted by Bucketau: Yeah, if you brits want another tax and waste more money on top of all the taxes
It is easy to criticise taxatation all the time, we would all like things to be cheaper. But I'd rather be more like a European state with slightly higher taxation and high-quality free health care, high-quality education, subsidised travel, than the hell that is the United States, where people end up in massive debt if they fall ill and don't have medical insurance. Even if they do have medical insurance the insurance costs are far greater than the equivilent taxation here.
One way or another you have to pay for things. Public services are almost always cheaper and fairer than profit making privatised services.
If you put UK NI contributions toward Health Insurance premiums in the US it would go a long way toward paying that premium.
It's about time people had to pay more directly for Health perhaps people would take better care of themselves.
Nothing to do with GW but the real Swindle is not so much whether GW is of mankinds making as it is the excuse it gives Gordon Brown to raise yet more revenue. The irony being that those who can least afford are hit hardest. And it is Labour government!
If the Government is so convinced how about a few tax rebates to encourage energy efficiency. Not going to happen is it? And grants don't count, too much bureaucracy.
I have also heard rumors that Al Gore lives in a huge mansion that consumes tons of electricity. Not sure if it is true, but it is a bit of a hipocracy if it is. I wonder if he uses public transport? If you wish to be seen as a champion of the cause, then surely you should set an example.
Bit like these celebs who do charity work. I often wonder how much they give. Again, I heard a rumor that Bono was worth $200000000. i mean come on, here he is trying to be a champion of the poor. So why not give away a chunck of that (im not saying all of it. Hell, 80% would leave him about 40000000). But then I guess its pretty hard to have a good quality of life when you only have that much money. Look at those in Africa, they dont have that much and look at their quality of life.
Oh, and im pretty sure his influence and fame would not suddenly vanish if he was worth a mere 40 million. I sometimes wonder if these people are just bored and are looking for something to try and give some meaning to their lives. I digress from the point.....
So, has Al Gore actually done anything to correct his carbon consumption?
If you put UK NI contributions toward Health Insurance premiums in the US it would go a long way toward paying that premium.
It's about time people had to pay more directly for Health perhaps people would take better care of themselves.
After all the years we have had to evaluate public funded services versus privatisation, privatisation has been totally discredited. It is an extremely expensive way for ordinary people to have to pay for things. Taxation is far cheaper. Just compare mainstream health, education and transport in places like Sweden, Netherlands and France compared to the US and to a less extent the UK which sits inbetween.
If people take better care of themselves when they have to pay for health-care, why has the US got the worst obesity levels in the world?
Robbie how naive (or is it more political 'spin'?) - people give these greedy governments billions of £/$ and only a fraction is actually spent doing good.
For example the UK government is spending over £6 billion pa (expected to top £20 billion) on the NHS computer system yet the NHS are in debt struggling to fund treatments to patients - and there are other examples on a pesonal level where (depending where you live in the UK) people are prevented from having the treatments they need because of cost.
It is time you faced reality with both the reasons for tax and man-made global warming - and as Buckatau points out see the connection between the two.
Originally posted by APL: Robbie how naive (or is it more political 'spin'?) - people give these greedy governments billions of £/$ and only a fraction is actually spent doing good.
For example the UK government is spending over £6 billion pa (expected to top £20 billion) on the NHS computer system yet the NHS are in debt struggling to fund treatments to patients - and there are other examples on a pesonal level where (depending where you live in the UK) people are prevented from having the treatments they need because of cost.
It is time you faced reality with both the reasons for tax and man-made global warming - and as Buckatau points out see the connection between the two.
Naive?
The US population spent $2 trillion on health care in 2004, rising to $4 trillion in 2015.
It currently represents 16% of GDP, more than any other developed country (averaging 10% in Europe) despite the fact that 47 million of US citizens have no health insurance, that is 16% of the US population.
I agree that not just the NHS computer project but all the government computer projects have been very badly run and have cost the taxpayer a lot of money. I would question the initial contracts been the UK government and the corporations who won the contracts. But at least governments are accountable for how they spend money.
Whereas if you take for instance Water, there is no stopping the private utilities increasing their profits at our expense.
