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Which is the scientific approach, and which is the religious approach?


A "The Wise Men say there is man made global warming. Therefore there is man made global warming"


B "Please produce numerical predictions from your models, so that I can compare them with reality"
 
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Much too sophisticated JL...
 
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Much too sophisticated JL...


I had the feeling this one might fall on stony ground!
 
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Which is the scientific approach, and which is the religious approach?


A "The Wise Men say there is man made global warming. Therefore there is man made global warming"


B "Please produce numerical predictions from your models, so that I can compare them with reality"

Actually BOTH Statements A and B contain a scientific truth.

An analysis and comparison of Statement A against usable models - as required by Statement B - would produce the following statement, from which predictions can be produced:
"A global warming exists and its cause is the Wise Men (therefore it IS man-made)"

If we substitute 'global' with 'worldwide' and 'warming' with 'negative climate change' the statement develops as follows:
"A worldwide climate has been negatively changed by the Wise Men"

And, as the type of change is acknowledged to be a destabilising one:
"A worldwide climate has been destabilised by the Wise Men"

We can now look into accepted definitions for the words 'climate' and 'change'
Climate: 'Prevailing public attitude'
Change: 'Replace'

A result is TWO possible statements:
1) "One climate has been replaced (by another) by the Wise Men"
2) "A worldwide prevailing public attitude has been destabilised by the Wise Men"

So, scientifically, the Wise Men must express the original 'Statement A' as:
"We - the Wise Men - state there is a worldwide destabilisation in prevailing public attitude. Therefore this statement exists as both the cause of that destabilisation, and the effect of it"

Looking a models built on real historic Wise-Men-caused destabilisation's in prevailing public attitude, accurate predictions can be made about the outcome of this one.
 
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Hell's teeth...........
 
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JL.

You can follow the 'Chinese Whispers' style destructive analysis of this if you like, but both statements are religious.

In A the reader is asked to have 'faith' in the 'wise men'.

In B the reader is asked to have 'faith' in the 'message poster'.

You know full well that readers only have 'faith' in 'themselves', but you don't know the relative understanding that any reader has with 'reality'.

Bit of a conundrum, isn't it! Looks like messaging is an -ology and not a science?
 
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JL.

You can follow the 'Chinese Whispers' style destructive analysis of this if you like, but both statements are religious.

In A the reader is asked to have 'faith' in the 'wise men'.

In B the reader is asked to have 'faith' in the 'message poster'.

You know full well that readers only have 'faith' in 'themselves', but you don't know the relative understanding that any reader has with 'reality'.

Bit of a conundrum, isn't it! Looks like messaging is an -ology and not a science?

Bloody post-structuralist thinkers...
 
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Hell's teeth...........

It's only a displacement theory JL. And a valid one, I think.

- BTW, 'Hell' is a religious concept Smile
 
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- BTW, 'Hell' is a religious concept Smile


And so are teeth. Smile
 
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- BTW, 'Hell' is a religious concept Smile


And so are teeth. Smile

As in Dente's Inferno? Smile
 
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And so are teeth. Smile

As in Dente's Inferno? Smile


Groan.......
 
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And so are teeth. Smile

As in Dente's Inferno? Smile


Groan.......


JL, the "Convince a Layman" thread is interesting at least in terms of the quality of debate !!
 
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