What if God and physics meet in Zero Point? It is 'nothing' in the Zen sense (where all thought comes from) and the formless state (where all matter comes from): God as a being from which all else flows. In other words what I'm saying is that both scientific and religious concepts may not be mutually exclusive but discoveries of the same thing, except from different perspectives. It's there but the terminology for describing it might be based upon two different views - emotional and logical (spiritual and scientific): Persingers crash helmet from inside it and from outside (personal and impersonal experience - bird watcher and bird). Another thing, energy is mentioned in this connection (electrical field) - what of the Earth's magnetosphere - could there be an interaction between the two as Persinger suggested, human and global? Could John Hutchisons work fit in with this (artificial poltergeist type activity / anti-gravity with regards to metal objects at least)?