I'm sure some of them would've behaved differently if there was a credible threat. There was no sanction which was severe enough to make the likes of peters behave when he knew that the show would be seen by his mates at home. He didn't even care that he was letting down his mates on the show. What was needed was something which would make the consequences of misbehaving less palettable than the consequences of behaving.
lol i tottally agree..i reckon society and education would be sooo much better if school were more disciplined... Taking the cane away was a mistake, and teachers these days dont really have much power or orthority other student... hence; the dramatic increase of chavs and delinquents these days lmao.. ee..no laughing matter..but yeh..kids should be disciplined more...btw..I'm a college boy, not an old, aged dude lol
Originally posted by Hokun: lol i tottally agree..i reckon society and education would be sooo much better if school were more disciplined... Taking the cane away was a mistake, and teachers these days dont really have much power or orthority other student... hence; the dramatic increase of chavs and delinquents these days lmao.. ee..no laughing matter..but yeh..kids should be disciplined more...btw..I'm a college boy, not an old, aged dude lol
alright hokun (ronny), next time i see you, how about i bring a baseball bat and start hitting you all over the place full force when you do something wrong? the cane is equivelant to a mother smacking her child which is also wrong. Children would likely be ended up as demented puppets and can be scarred for life about it in a bad way. you could class the cane as assault on a person and how much different is that?
Back in the 195o's the kids got the cane, ruler or the slipper. This does not seem to happen on this show?
As a means of forcing them into submission - or for its "entertainment" value? I don't mean to insult the writer when I say this but let's remember, first of all, that these kids gave up their own time to take part in this experiment. Secondly, if their behaviour was near perfect, the show would lose a lot of its entertainment value. Finally, whilst watching these programmes, I can't help wondering if some of these behavioural incidents were, if not staged, at least encouraged. For example the dorm. singing incident in the first episode did not seem realistic to me. the telephone incident last night also seems unlikely. And the punishment - washing the boys underwear - that to me was demeaning and well over-the-top!
Those of you who never experienced the days of corporal punishment should not imagine we lived under a constant daily threat of Whack! Whack! Whack! It certainly was not so at my school anyway, and it was a public (independent) school. Only the headmaster was allowed to use cp and such punishments were comparatively rare; he never used a cane - only a slipper which did not hurt all that much (I got it once!) yet it kept us in order by the mere fact that it was there - rather like a neuclear deterrent! Most boys (single sex school) went out of ther way to avoid it more because of the embarrassment angle rather than because of any pain it might cause! I should think about 80% of the boys went through 6 or 7 years of school without ever getting it!
I was actually thinking that - I got Caned strapped or slippered until 1984 in my schools. But in the 1950's they would have - even threatening to do it might make them wise up (of course not doing it actually)
In primary school in P4( as we called it then) aged nine we use to get straped if we didnt get our time tables correct. He was a sadist teacher but he later got sacked for his attitude. we got caned in P3 too aged 8 if we misbahaved.
Im not saying it is right but it did teach us to behvae
I can't help wondering if some of these behavioural incidents were, if not staged, at least encouraged. For example the dorm. singing incident in the first episode did not seem realistic to me. the telephone incident last night also seems unlikely. And the punishment - washing the boys underwear - that to me was demeaning and well over-the-top!
I am fairly sure the above weren't staged and I doubt that they were explicitly encouraged. The production could influence the children by asking leading questions so as to give them ideas but I think that was as far as they would go. Staff weren't told directly about such things and any 'staging' done by teachers would only be to film a small thing which happened but was missed.
yes, but Im at school now, and it is illegal to hit kids at skl. although it might do some good for some kids to get a good wacking, in this day in age, the students would simply stop coming to skl. well that would at my skool, anyway x
pre1950 being caned was not as bad as you make out I was caned often,being late,not remembering lessons,smoking, playing truant. they could have paid bad boy peters to be whacked as in Kes. UNDER THE CLOCK, WHACK,WHACK.
A FEW OF MY YOUTH CLUB LADS BECAME TEACHERS ONE A HEADMASTER SAID THE DAY THEY TOOK THE SLIPPER FROM HIS OFFICE WAS THE WORST DAY OF HIS LIFE. HAVE A RE-RUN SLIPPER EM.
Honestly society [schools are one of the main culprits] cannot deteriate at this rate a stop must be called and it will not be pleasant.
Have you thought as Dr. David Starkie pointed out that state school standards are droppong at a rate where by they cannot produce candidates to train as doctors! So the NHS will be the first casualty.
If we had a series in which the cane was introduced part way through the results would prove the case one way or the other.
And before we get the usual calls of "its illegal. it wouldn't be if the series was shot on the Isle of Man!
Discipline will come to such a pitch there will not be teachers to teach according to the lad next door who is fourteen the teacher walked out because he could not control the class
If Peters had done as he was told and do it again all would have been peace. I did a drawing of a vilii in bio and did the blood flow wrong she ripped it up and told me to do it again. I did without answering back.
And before we get the usual calls of "its illegal. it wouldn't be if the series was shot on the Isle of Man!
I am afraid you are wrong here, headmistriss! In theory the IOM still has hanging and birching on its statute book, but they can't use either without the permission of the British Home Secretary. I don't know why, but our Government still has control over some of their affairs despite the fact that they do not send an MP to Westminster! They are also part of this human rights thingy!
Another point and all credit to all THE PEOPLE INVOLVED we have just been talking as if this was a real school, it isn't, it a televised educational experiment with a large entertainment content - so the rules regarding schools will not apply.
I think you are wrong there Headmistress. Legally, caning a child is assault irrespective of whether its a real school, a TV programme or whatever. It is still assault even if the child or the child's parents give consent. Anyone who canes a child in the UK is likely to end up serving a prison sentence.
